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ray winstone
11:54 Tue Mar 28
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Ritchie9, you can't beat the establishment mate.
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Ritchie9
11:11 Tue Mar 28
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Threesixty, how is a woman being raped every 11 days a benefit to the public? How is surge charging x 5 during the tube strikes and disgustingly charging x 3 after a terrorist attack a benefit to the public? you go on about how uber is a superior service yet black cabs have apps (my taxi, gett, taxiapp) that do exactly the same thing. So how is it superior? You press the taxi app a cab rolls up, you press the uber app it does the same thing. The only thing is you like is the slave wage price they charge, which will go up as soon as the black cabs are wiped out. Seeing as your finding it so hard to understand I'll try and explain to you one last time that Uber's are not taxis they are minicabs, the same as Addison Lee. I assume before uber you were not saying Addison Lee's should have the same rights as a black cab, the 2 are different, a black cab offers a premium service priced by TfL to get the public from a to b as quick as possible and as such you pay a bit more than standing around waiting for a minicab. Now uber are here and because of all this corruption they have been allowed the same rights as a taxi even though that is completely against the laws of the land. TfL tried to put through numerous rules to allow both taxis and Uber's to compete on a fair playing field. For instance the 5 minute wait is what TfL thought was a fair amount of time for the public to wait before the uber driver received their job, meaning by the time a member of the public gets his phone out to order an uber and the uber receiving the job and then a couple of mins driving up to the job I guess all that would take around 8 minutes. Now the bread and butter jobs of a cabbies day would be City to Covent Garden, Holborn to Waterloo, oxford street to Victoria basically quick £10 jobs. For those type of jobs uber would charge say £8, (and take 25% of that off the driver) so why would anyone in there right mind stand about waiting for 8 minutes to get an uber when you can hail and jump in or order a taxi on an app to save themselves a couple of quid. Hardly anyone would, uber know this and that's why all this corruption has happened, Because if uber lost all those thousands of jobs how on earth would they be able to afford to operate? They are losing 3 billion dollars a year as it is.
And as you mention you wasn't sure about the insurance I'll explain that too. If your picking up members of the public you need to have hire and reward insurance not your normal social and domestic, it means if they have an accident and your injured you'll be covered under their insurance, even motorcycle couriers need this insurance too. For this insurance it costs a minicab diver around £3000, they obviously can't afford that on their slave wage so just drive using their normal car insurance, TfL wanted all minicabs to have their insurance on display the same as a black cab does but obviously along with the other 20 or so regulations they wanted to bring in good old Cameron and Osborn made sure that didn't happen. And what was Osborne reward for this? A £650,000 salary for 48 days work with blackrock, that's the same blackrock that has invested heavily in uber. At the end of the day though some of the public don't give a shit about any of it they just want a cheap option which is absolutely fine and understandable but for the cheap price you should get the cheap service.
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threesixty
3:30 Tue Mar 28
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Hermit
The technology to clone your pin and card number does not benfit the public in anyway. Thats why it's illegal.
In this case the Uber service absolutely benefits the public. The issue is it doesnt benefit the black cab service. The law is designed to protect the black cab business and not rights for consumers to have a superior service. That's the issue.
We have a law passed that actually works in favour of a small minority of cab drivers rather than in the interests of the vast majority of the public. It is blatant protectionism masquerading as a some obscure safety issue. (uber drivers are all logged, the routes logged in real time etc.. far more safe than a rouge cab driver).
I'm not against them working out a way forward but not at the expense of progress
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Hermit Road
2:56 Tue Mar 28
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It's all very well the technology being available but they should have to work within the law like we all do. The technology is available for people to clone your pin and card number, but it's illegal so they get nicked for it. The technology is available for Uber but they have to break the law to earn with it in London.
This is where the question of corruption comes in. If someone high up is close to a government who is putting pressure on people for a law not to be enforced. It's a problem.
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Sir Alf
2:14 Tue Mar 28
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All well and fine if you do not care that the drivers do not receive a living wage or at least we are told that?
The free market, "me inc" culture is that they should not do the job if they don't think they are paid enough.
Ok to a point but its a case of whether they have other options (the drivers I mean). Otherwise it wont be long until servants quarters are set up in the basements of homes again ? Ok perhaps a tad extreme but that is the fear of not paying a living wage.
But Cameron and Osborne self serving should be no surprise.
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threesixty
1:56 Tue Mar 28
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Ritchie9
"Being pre booked with a 5 minute wait time and turning off the app to stop showing where the nearest car is, having the correct insurance etc"
How does that make sense? I'm not sure about the insurance aspect, but it's like goal line technology debate isnt it? You have the technology to solve a problem but you dont want to use it.
We have tech that will help customers get a better service (i.e. remove the 5 minute wait time, and know which cars are near you), yet you want to remove it because it helps cab drivers earn more?
People just want the best service, not an artificially hobbled one. If they can work out a way for that to happen without going back in time and making it worse for the public I'd be all for it, but they cant. So why should I suffer for them? They wouldn't lobby to subsidies my line of work if technology changed it so why should I care about the cab industry?
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Ritchie9
1:25 Tue Mar 28
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Uber's are not taxis though they are minicabs and as such should be complying to the laws of this land, which is the whole point of this thread as because the head of uber Rachel whetstone is a personal friend of David Cameron they have used their power to stop TfL forcing uber to comply to the regulations, i.e. Being pre booked with a 5 minute wait time and turning off the app to stop showing where the nearest car is, having the correct insurance etc. Then you would have a level and fair playing field where you pay more for the gold standard taxi service where you can imediately hail and jump in or pay less and wait for a while until your uber it turns up. Obviously uber think most customers would use the black cab for convienience so have used their influence to not let this happen. So instead you now have some idiots in the public who want their cake and eat it by having a service which is exclusively for taxis but paying the driver the slave wage uber price. How on earth could anyone let alone a London cabbie make a living earning £5 an hour?
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Ilford Hammer
12:24 Tue Mar 28
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threesixty 11:22 Tue Mar 28
Well said. The bottom line is that it comes down to price for 95% of people. Why am I going to pay a black cabbie twice as much as an Uber driver for the same journey? I don't owe them a living. Times are changing and you either adapt with them or stay still.
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threesixty
11:22 Tue Mar 28
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Dax
Well ultimately that's the issue isn't it? No one really cares if Osborne is corrupt if it actually benefits you do they? Uber has been a revelation for many arising bad the world. It's actually meant that many people don't even feel the need to own a car such is the convenience of the service.
Once the genie is out of the bottle it's hard to go back. We have the technology to actually see which cars are near us and request them whenever we need them. How can we go back from that?
Furthermore just like other businesses like Facebook and google it works so well because of scale. It's one company so you can go pretty much anywhere in the world and use the service with little friction.
The cabbies want artificial measures put in place to preserve their livelihoods. But tell me why should they be protected when nobody else is? The miners weren't! The ship builders aren't. The steelworks aren't. What makes cabbies so special?
The thing that complicates stuff is that cabbies fares are defined by TFL and not the free market. They are seen as part of the official transport solution for London so have special rights like exclusive airport taxi rank access, special road lanes etc... and for that privilege they have to have their fares and other aspects regulated.
But at the same time they have the right to refuse fares and where they wish to go (I'm not sure if that's legal but they do it anyway. Will a black cab stop for a group of young black kids with hoodies on? Doubt it).
So they want their cake and eat it. Everyone wants a cushy guaranteed world where they can do a job without fear of being overtaken by technology and whatnot. Well fuck that. These same cabbies voted thatcher in and are generally love Tory governments so this is how it works. You can't keep your cushy lives forever. Things move on.
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dax47988
10:02 Tue Mar 28
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Like the way this has turned into an Uber v Black Cab row, rather than focus on Cameron's corruption along with his mate Gideon........
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Sir Alf
11:56 Mon Mar 27
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Sad but the truth is probably that us humans look after number 1 , especially in our consumer culture, until we "need" the help of others (modern consumer driven world and transport / communication destroyed communities long ago and only when threatened in times of war or threat do most people start thinking about helping one another ). So the consensus will likely be that Uber are good because they save "me" money and because "I" do not work for them I do not have to receive less than a living wage.
Consumerism and neo liberal economics of the last 30 years has led to a society that largely doesnt give a crap about anyone but themselves. Politicians are no different to us.
Happy Easter !
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bruuuno
11:47 Mon Mar 27
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Call me a cunt but black cabs are a part of our culture. I don't mind them getting a bit of help in this because they are a unique part of London life and I would be a shame to see them die out to a load of smelly Asians and Africans. They've had it too easy for too long though so hard to have much sympathy for them
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Johnson
11:33 Mon Mar 27
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No because he's a cunt ray, you have no idea what my agenda is either.
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BRANDED
11:32 Mon Mar 27
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Its almost like everybody wants to give their money to IS corporations and destroy our own?
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Ritchie9
11:25 Mon Mar 27
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I'm amazed at some of the comments on here, people talking about bringing the black cabs into the 21st century. They all accept credit cards now and have 3 apps to order a cab (my taxi formally hailo, gett, and taxi app) what more do they need to do to get into the 21st century? And as for ilfordhammer who can get back from Lewisham for £12, that is nothing more than a slave wage, uber take 25% of that leaving the driver with £9, once you take out his fuel for the journey, (let's say £4) the driver has pocketed £5, how many hours must he work to make any type of living earning that? He's got to be doing around 15 hours a day. No wonder they can't afford the £3000 for hire and reward insurance hence driving customers uninsured as there social and domestic insurance doesn't cover this work. And working those type of hours why would you risk getting in that? There are laws in this country to stop this predetary pricing from happening, which they are simply charging to wipeout the competition, after that they'll put there prices up to anything they choose, and seeing as they don't mind ripping off the public during tube strikes and terrorist attacks god knows what they'll charge. There are rules to protect the taxi trade from company's like this, only a taxi can ply for hire and be instantly hailed, minicabs have to be pre booked so if I people want fair competition, the uber shouldn't be allowed to show where the cars are and the public would have to wait at least 5 mins for the driver to receive the job then maybe another couple of mins for it to turn up, add that to the faffing about at the start to get it ordered in the first place you could be waiting for nearly 10mins. So it'll be cheaper but a slower service, and considering it's only a couple of quid difference say city to west end for lunch meetings and stuff why would anyone bother with uber? That sounds fair to me which is what reading the mails article is what TfL were trying to do but were blocked by a corrupt government trying to do nothing more than sort out their very rich friends. I guess some of the public don't really give a shit about any of that though and at the end of the day only the price matters. The whole thing is a disgrace really.
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ray winstone
9:57 Mon Mar 27
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What, because he doesn't suit your fucked up agenda?
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Johnson
9:44 Mon Mar 27
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James OBrien you say?
Biggest cunt on the radio by some stretch.
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ray winstone
9:29 Mon Mar 27
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Says it all.....
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/uber-story-made-james-obrien-sick-to-his-stomach/
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defence
8:54 Mon Mar 27
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If uber kill off the black cabs they will increase their fares dramatically. Uber loses billions every year in order to distroy other taxi and minicab firms. When they have they will want to make good on their infestment. So the fares will skyrocket because they will have a monopoly.
Uber don't pay their drivers minimum wage, most are on inwork benefits.
Large numbers of their drivers aren't insured to carry paying customers.
TfL love uber because for every desperate person that thinks they can make a living driving for uber TfL get £300+ from their licence free.
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Nurse Ratched
6:56 Mon Mar 27
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Michael is laughing at your puny hippocampi.
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michael
6:56 Mon Mar 27
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Ilford hammer sums it up
As a black cab driver I'll rather be in Mayfair
Then pissing about in lewisham
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